Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sisters of Battle

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Imperium (Warhammer 40,000). Merge of sourced material can be carried out from article history. ansh666 20:07, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Sisters of Battle

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I prodded it in February, then an anon proposed a merge to Warhammer 40,000, but no discussion has occurred for over half a year. As there is no interest in merge, and the article seems unreferenced, with plot-only content, I think the next step is AfD. Thoughts? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:45, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

• Comment. You proposed a merge, one other editor agreed, nobody disagreed - why not just go ahead and merge it? --Michig (talk) 12:02, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Because there is nothing to merge. I didn't propose a merge, anon did it. My view is the merge doesn't help, there is nothing to rescue here. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:36, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
    • Sorry, my mistake. I agree there's nothing much to merge, but this is mentioned a couple of times in the Warhammer article, so a redirect may suffice. --Michig (talk) 18:08, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
    • A soft deletion by redirecting may be best, perhaps? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:39, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
      • "Soft delete" has a specific technical meaning, and requires admin tools.  "Redirect" does not use admin tools.  Unscintillating (talk) 17:48, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
• Keep or merge to Warhammer 40,000 as per Michig. BOZ (talk) 14:02, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
• Merge to Imperium of Man where it is already mentioned. Merging to the main series page makes no sense when this is a subtopic of notable subtopic within that series which has its own article. --- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:00, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Redirect or merge, and where to?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein  13:24, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

• Comment. Could probably be redirected to either for now. Both articles are massively crufty and undersourced and need some serious attention. Whether minor aspects such as this merit much of a mention anywhere remains to be proven. --Michig (talk) 14:04, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
• Keep (or merge everything) If we have articles on Space Marines and Imperium (Warhammer 40,000), then it's reasonable to have on on the Sisters of Battle too, as a comparable level of article. There are a couple of dozen Warhammer articles at least. All have just the same issue of in-universe sourcing, none of these are particularly better or worse than another. If we have more Warhammer articles than just one (or just one on each major species), then we ought to include the sisters within this. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:26, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:59, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:59, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

• (Putting on editor hat) If all these articles are equally poorly sourced then they should all be deleted. There's already two fan wikis, I think, covering this topic from an in-universe perspective in ridiculous depth. We don't need to be the third.  Sandstein  11:42, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

• There are something like 120 pages under Category:Warhammer 40,000. I would be happy to see all of these deleted, and replaced by one overall article and a couple of list articles (species, games, videogames). I have yet to see any article in here that has more than a couple of citations, and any general refs that aren't to SPS from Games Workshop. This is not http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Warhammer_40k_Wiki and we're not here to duplicate such.

However I think my chances of doing such a thing are about as likely as those of an Ork with a bent tinopener... Andy Dingley (talk) 19:04, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

• Keep I can see the merge argument but that's better handled outside of AfD. Artw (talk) 17:00, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
• Merge per Patar Knight and WP:ATD-M. Contra the nom's position, material that does not meet RS itself is still fine to merge into a notable article. Not everything needs a cite. Jclemens (talk) 22:10, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
• Maybe Merge to Imperium (Warhammer 40,000) is more reasonable. The same is with Space Marines etc.--Abiyoyo (talk) 17:13, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
• Redirect to Imperium (Warhammer 40,000) so that any relevant content can be merged once it can be sourced. Not independently notable for lack of significant coverage in third-party reliable sources.  Sandstein  11:40, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.